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		<title>Comment on the wedding of river song by encyclops</title>
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		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the trouble with these puzzle-box plots and characters: the only thing you can do with them is reveal the solution, and once you do it doesn&#039;t really matter. There&#039;s nothing at their core: no heart and no meaning.

The death of the Doctor &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have mythic resonance. The arc of River Song &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be a Greek tragedy. The Silents &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; represent some figurative force or high concept that has a broad impact on the universe -- or at least we should at least get the sense that they have a plan (to manipulate cultures behind the scenes Illuminati-style, maybe) that goes beyond hassling the Doctor. 

But none of these things are true, because the stories are not told as drama but as riddles. They&#039;re clever riddles, and sometimes they&#039;re fun, but they&#039;re not moving, and they don&#039;t resonate outside themselves.

River&#039;s history is so knotted and confusing now that I just can&#039;t believe in her as a character, and it doesn&#039;t help that she didn&#039;t really grow up in any normal sense, or have any independent hopes and dreams. Her existence has been bent to one purpose: first to kill the Doctor, then to find him, then to marry him. Her skill with a gun, her archeological education, her ability to fly the TARDIS, all of these attributes stem directly and solely from her link to and obsession with the Doctor, for all we&#039;ve now seen. One of the strongest female companions the series has ever seen turns out to be the most codependent. How could you not be disappointed?

I&#039;d love to know what your son&#039;s theories are about the answer. I sure hope Moffat&#039;s turns out to be the same one we hear in &quot;The God Complex.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the trouble with these puzzle-box plots and characters: the only thing you can do with them is reveal the solution, and once you do it doesn&#8217;t really matter. There&#8217;s nothing at their core: no heart and no meaning.</p>
<p>The death of the Doctor <i>should</i> have mythic resonance. The arc of River Song <i>should</i> be a Greek tragedy. The Silents <i>should</i> represent some figurative force or high concept that has a broad impact on the universe &#8212; or at least we should at least get the sense that they have a plan (to manipulate cultures behind the scenes Illuminati-style, maybe) that goes beyond hassling the Doctor. </p>
<p>But none of these things are true, because the stories are not told as drama but as riddles. They&#8217;re clever riddles, and sometimes they&#8217;re fun, but they&#8217;re not moving, and they don&#8217;t resonate outside themselves.</p>
<p>River&#8217;s history is so knotted and confusing now that I just can&#8217;t believe in her as a character, and it doesn&#8217;t help that she didn&#8217;t really grow up in any normal sense, or have any independent hopes and dreams. Her existence has been bent to one purpose: first to kill the Doctor, then to find him, then to marry him. Her skill with a gun, her archeological education, her ability to fly the TARDIS, all of these attributes stem directly and solely from her link to and obsession with the Doctor, for all we&#8217;ve now seen. One of the strongest female companions the series has ever seen turns out to be the most codependent. How could you not be disappointed?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know what your son&#8217;s theories are about the answer. I sure hope Moffat&#8217;s turns out to be the same one we hear in &#8220;The God Complex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on the wedding of river song by Kermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just...well, your post here was much better than the episode. River Song was so much cooler when we didn&#039;t know her story.

On the other hand, my oldest son was furiously writing in his journal last night and fell asleep before putting it away. I didn&#039;t purposely read what he wrote, but on the first page was a drawing of the Tennant year&#039;s logo, and then the first question. I could see he went on to write his own theories on the next page.

I love seeing him excited enough to write (aural narration is his strong point, his brain moves too fast for writing) about Doctor Who. So I&#039;m not complaining about the episode in front of him. But I will probably always be mad about River Song. I think I&#039;ll go back to the Library and pretend I don&#039;t know what happens to her in 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just&#8230;well, your post here was much better than the episode. River Song was so much cooler when we didn&#8217;t know her story.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my oldest son was furiously writing in his journal last night and fell asleep before putting it away. I didn&#8217;t purposely read what he wrote, but on the first page was a drawing of the Tennant year&#8217;s logo, and then the first question. I could see he went on to write his own theories on the next page.</p>
<p>I love seeing him excited enough to write (aural narration is his strong point, his brain moves too fast for writing) about Doctor Who. So I&#8217;m not complaining about the episode in front of him. But I will probably always be mad about River Song. I think I&#8217;ll go back to the Library and pretend I don&#8217;t know what happens to her in 2011.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the wedding of river song by encyclops</title>
		<link>http://encyclops.com/archives/355/comment-page-1#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;BONUS: THE WEDDING OF RIVER SONG: MY SIDE OF AN EMAIL DISCUSSION&lt;/b&gt;

Unmoving is an apt word. Characters that die-but-not-really is now an explicit joke within the show. Bubble universes mean that you can do all sorts of bizarre whimsical stuff because it&#039;s timey-wimey magic and then just erase it like an Etch-a-Sketch when you&#039;re done. River always meets the Doctor in reverse order, except when she doesn&#039;t. And hey, they get married purely for rhetorical reasons (&quot;I don&#039;t want to marry you&quot; / &quot;I don&#039;t want to murder you&quot;).

I&#039;m watching the show mainly for Matt Smith now, and because I&#039;ve loved this show and the premise that keeps it going since I was 8 or 9 years old. I love that it&#039;s popular now, I love that it has the money to look good and the savvy to be smart and not completely embarrassing. If only it would slow down and get a solid grip on things really happening and meaning something, instead of being mental phantoms or time cul-de-sacs, I&#039;d be ecstatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>BONUS: THE WEDDING OF RIVER SONG: MY SIDE OF AN EMAIL DISCUSSION</b></p>
<p>Unmoving is an apt word. Characters that die-but-not-really is now an explicit joke within the show. Bubble universes mean that you can do all sorts of bizarre whimsical stuff because it&#8217;s timey-wimey magic and then just erase it like an Etch-a-Sketch when you&#8217;re done. River always meets the Doctor in reverse order, except when she doesn&#8217;t. And hey, they get married purely for rhetorical reasons (&#8220;I don&#8217;t want to marry you&#8221; / &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to murder you&#8221;).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching the show mainly for Matt Smith now, and because I&#8217;ve loved this show and the premise that keeps it going since I was 8 or 9 years old. I love that it&#8217;s popular now, I love that it has the money to look good and the savvy to be smart and not completely embarrassing. If only it would slow down and get a solid grip on things really happening and meaning something, instead of being mental phantoms or time cul-de-sacs, I&#8217;d be ecstatic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the god complex by encyclops</title>
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		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That song is the worst. In general I&#039;m sick of children singing nursery rhymes as shorthand for &quot;chilling&quot;; it&#039;s been done to death ever since the original &lt;cite&gt;Nightmare on Elm Street&lt;/cite&gt; at the very latest, and it&#039;s particularly badly done here (who should we imagine is singing? the Silents&#039; Sunday school?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That song is the worst. In general I&#8217;m sick of children singing nursery rhymes as shorthand for &#8220;chilling&#8221;; it&#8217;s been done to death ever since the original <cite>Nightmare on Elm Street</cite> at the very latest, and it&#8217;s particularly badly done here (who should we imagine is singing? the Silents&#8217; Sunday school?).</p>
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		<title>Comment on the god complex by Kermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a ticking clock in the Doctor&#039;s room as well...linking, perhaps, to the annoying tick-tock song in River&#039;s life story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a ticking clock in the Doctor&#8217;s room as well&#8230;linking, perhaps, to the annoying tick-tock song in River&#8217;s life story?</p>
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		<title>Comment on who cares about our baby? by Kermit</title>
		<link>http://encyclops.com/archives/339/comment-page-1#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am positive I read that Karen had signed on for season 7. You know, as positive as a sleep-deprived nursing mother can be first thing in the morning.

I understand that Matt and Karen are exceedingly popular with the fans, but I think showrunners who kowtow to the public for ratings damage their shows (see: Heroes and Zachary Quinto). I agree that new companions are in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am positive I read that Karen had signed on for season 7. You know, as positive as a sleep-deprived nursing mother can be first thing in the morning.</p>
<p>I understand that Matt and Karen are exceedingly popular with the fans, but I think showrunners who kowtow to the public for ratings damage their shows (see: Heroes and Zachary Quinto). I agree that new companions are in order.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the god complex by encyclops</title>
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		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nerdist.com/2011/09/doctor-who-the-god-complex-review-spoilers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Nerdist&lt;/a&gt; may have nailed it: the Doctor&#039;s room contains his &lt;em&gt;TARDIS&lt;/em&gt; in grave danger of its own destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think <a href="http://www.nerdist.com/2011/09/doctor-who-the-god-complex-review-spoilers/" rel="nofollow">The Nerdist</a> may have nailed it: the Doctor&#8217;s room contains his <em>TARDIS</em> in grave danger of its own destruction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the god complex by encyclops</title>
		<link>http://encyclops.com/archives/323/comment-page-1#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I&#039;ve seen the &quot;lose faith in me&quot; climax more recently than &quot;Fenric,&quot; though that&#039;s a good call. I was never a huge fan of that story (terrible lighting and sound didn&#039;t help), though I&#039;d probably enjoy it more these days. That one felt a little more like a trick or twist (though presumably the speech was just as true), and less like a long-overdue epiphany. Another difference between this and &quot;Fenric&quot; is that in that episode faith is a shield, and here it&#039;s shark chum.

Though I meant &quot;fine&quot; as in &quot;okay&quot; rather than &quot;awesome,&quot; I&#039;d agree the Doctor is less enthused about his being &quot;just a guy who can screw up&quot; than I am.

The Doctor&#039;s line when he opens his door is &quot;Of course. Who else?&quot; To me that doesn&#039;t sound like Lake Silencio, especially with the cloister bell and overall darkness. But maybe he&#039;s recognizing whoever&#039;s in the spacesuit that shoots him (River? himself?). Or maybe it&#039;s Amy, dead on the floor of the TARDIS (or any or all of his past companions). Maybe it&#039;s River in a wedding dress (impending doom! sound the cloister bell!). Maybe it&#039;s the Master (please, no, enough). Maybe it&#039;s Fenric. ;)

It seems likely that both the Gangers and the tricky time-duplication we saw in &quot;The Girl Who Waited&quot; will play into the solution to the Lake Silencio problem, but ugh. Man, a Ganger Doctor would be the worst. All he has to do is set the sonic wrong and &lt;em&gt;splorch&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I&#8217;ve seen the &#8220;lose faith in me&#8221; climax more recently than &#8220;Fenric,&#8221; though that&#8217;s a good call. I was never a huge fan of that story (terrible lighting and sound didn&#8217;t help), though I&#8217;d probably enjoy it more these days. That one felt a little more like a trick or twist (though presumably the speech was just as true), and less like a long-overdue epiphany. Another difference between this and &#8220;Fenric&#8221; is that in that episode faith is a shield, and here it&#8217;s shark chum.</p>
<p>Though I meant &#8220;fine&#8221; as in &#8220;okay&#8221; rather than &#8220;awesome,&#8221; I&#8217;d agree the Doctor is less enthused about his being &#8220;just a guy who can screw up&#8221; than I am.</p>
<p>The Doctor&#8217;s line when he opens his door is &#8220;Of course. Who else?&#8221; To me that doesn&#8217;t sound like Lake Silencio, especially with the cloister bell and overall darkness. But maybe he&#8217;s recognizing whoever&#8217;s in the spacesuit that shoots him (River? himself?). Or maybe it&#8217;s Amy, dead on the floor of the TARDIS (or any or all of his past companions). Maybe it&#8217;s River in a wedding dress (impending doom! sound the cloister bell!). Maybe it&#8217;s the Master (please, no, enough). Maybe it&#8217;s Fenric. <img src='http://encyclops.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It seems likely that both the Gangers and the tricky time-duplication we saw in &#8220;The Girl Who Waited&#8221; will play into the solution to the Lake Silencio problem, but ugh. Man, a Ganger Doctor would be the worst. All he has to do is set the sonic wrong and <em>splorch</em>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the god complex by Jeff Lampert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lampert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 06:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Doctor saves Amy by insisting that he can’t. (This is another moment that feels familiar, though I’m having trouble remembering why.)&quot; According to one of the reviews I&#039;ve read, they say it&#039;s a thematic callback to the climax of &quot;The Curse of Fenric&quot;, though I haven&#039;t seen much of the McCoy era (just Battlefield, Remembrance of the Daleks, and Survival)

&quot;but one who also can make the wrong choices and fail once in a while, and that’s a fine thing to be.&quot; Not sure if he&#039;s saying the last part - between this, The Girl Who Waited, and his anguished flip-through of NuWho companions in Let&#039;s Kill Hitler (&quot;Show me someone whose life I haven&#039;t screwed up&quot;), and of course his looming death, he&#039;s probably not feeling that clever right now (wonder if what he saw was Lake Silencio; he&#039;s already seen himself [or a Ganger, at least] this season). He&#039;s dropping off Amy and Rory because he realizes he really meant what he said to her. (That said, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re going away for good)

When I heard the cloister bell, it struck me that this whole part of the season feels very much like some of the dread hanging over Logopolis...

Now, if our intrepid showrunner was really ballsy he&#039;d kill of the Doctor and have a Ganger Doctor take his place (we know it isn&#039;t a Ganger that dies since the body doesn&#039;t dissolve).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Doctor saves Amy by insisting that he can’t. (This is another moment that feels familiar, though I’m having trouble remembering why.)&#8221; According to one of the reviews I&#8217;ve read, they say it&#8217;s a thematic callback to the climax of &#8220;The Curse of Fenric&#8221;, though I haven&#8217;t seen much of the McCoy era (just Battlefield, Remembrance of the Daleks, and Survival)</p>
<p>&#8220;but one who also can make the wrong choices and fail once in a while, and that’s a fine thing to be.&#8221; Not sure if he&#8217;s saying the last part &#8211; between this, The Girl Who Waited, and his anguished flip-through of NuWho companions in Let&#8217;s Kill Hitler (&#8220;Show me someone whose life I haven&#8217;t screwed up&#8221;), and of course his looming death, he&#8217;s probably not feeling that clever right now (wonder if what he saw was Lake Silencio; he&#8217;s already seen himself [or a Ganger, at least] this season). He&#8217;s dropping off Amy and Rory because he realizes he really meant what he said to her. (That said, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going away for good)</p>
<p>When I heard the cloister bell, it struck me that this whole part of the season feels very much like some of the dread hanging over Logopolis&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, if our intrepid showrunner was really ballsy he&#8217;d kill of the Doctor and have a Ganger Doctor take his place (we know it isn&#8217;t a Ganger that dies since the body doesn&#8217;t dissolve).</p>
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		<title>Comment on let&#8217;s kill hitler by encyclops</title>
		<link>http://encyclops.com/archives/291/comment-page-1#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>encyclops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the old-school stuff too. I think the problem is that they have good writers working on it, but they don&#039;t have good science fiction writers. The new series has some real quality characteristics: charisma, good looks, an emphasis on character and theme, real daring and surprise, a sense of humor. 

Unfortunately it&#039;s grown almost completely self-involved, and when the character development frequently amounts to chronological tricks rather than anything mythic or archetypal, it&#039;s hard to really care. River has a really messed-up life history, but it seems to have granted her no real depth at all. She and the Doctor don&#039;t get married because they have some deep connection, but because he promised her they would in an offhand moment.

I look forward to watching the show, and yet I almost always feel a little indifferent to it in hindsight. Truth is, I&#039;m more a fan of the premise of the show and the thread of myth that stretches thin over the many years it&#039;s been on than I am a fan of any particular era. That&#039;ll keep me watching -- that and the fact it could be a LOT worse -- but it&#039;s frustrating to think about what it could be.

As for River regenerating: I wouldn&#039;t doubt it. The chronology would get pretty strange, though -- I think they&#039;d actually have to make two Rivers at this point (and we&#039;ve seen a couple different ways that might happen). I wouldn&#039;t have been shocked to see her become the companion next season, but my brain doesn&#039;t want to work out how that would make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the old-school stuff too. I think the problem is that they have good writers working on it, but they don&#8217;t have good science fiction writers. The new series has some real quality characteristics: charisma, good looks, an emphasis on character and theme, real daring and surprise, a sense of humor. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s grown almost completely self-involved, and when the character development frequently amounts to chronological tricks rather than anything mythic or archetypal, it&#8217;s hard to really care. River has a really messed-up life history, but it seems to have granted her no real depth at all. She and the Doctor don&#8217;t get married because they have some deep connection, but because he promised her they would in an offhand moment.</p>
<p>I look forward to watching the show, and yet I almost always feel a little indifferent to it in hindsight. Truth is, I&#8217;m more a fan of the premise of the show and the thread of myth that stretches thin over the many years it&#8217;s been on than I am a fan of any particular era. That&#8217;ll keep me watching &#8212; that and the fact it could be a LOT worse &#8212; but it&#8217;s frustrating to think about what it could be.</p>
<p>As for River regenerating: I wouldn&#8217;t doubt it. The chronology would get pretty strange, though &#8212; I think they&#8217;d actually have to make two Rivers at this point (and we&#8217;ve seen a couple different ways that might happen). I wouldn&#8217;t have been shocked to see her become the companion next season, but my brain doesn&#8217;t want to work out how that would make sense.</p>
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